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Testokan CyberTech Production Likes received: 5 | Does anybody know why EVE Online got rated with a Teen rating? And why a 10 year old shouldn't play this game under adult supervision? I checked the definition on the Pegi site and it tells me it includes "Non realistic looking violence towards human characters"???? The reason I ask is, my son seen me now several times playing EVE Online and he got really interested in and is nagging me every time, why he cannot play it. The reason for me to deny it to him was always with the complexity of the game (There are adults who don't get it!). Today I had a weak moment and I let him do some of the Tutorial Security missions, which he (and me) really liked and I was surprised how quickly he understood some of the basic mechanics in EVE Online. So my argument to deny it to him somehow vaporized. Are there any other players who let their kids play EVE Online? And what was the reason to do so? And especially how did you convince the mother? |
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises Likes received: 8,745 | EVE is a cold, harsh universe? ☼ There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me. |
Abdiel Kavash Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 2,736 | Testokan wrote: The reason for me to deny it to him was always with the complexity of the game (There are adults who don't get it!). |
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny Likes received: 1,972 | There is the underlying lore of killing hundreds of people per several npc ships, or another player and his implied crew. Yet the community itself and chat is hardly regulated at all. That's really the only concern for younger players is who they are communicating with. ...Oh and that one mission you transport a prostitute to "entertain" some troops. |
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services Likes received: 566 | CCP doesn't want to deal with: - my kid/wife/cat got my SC exploded and my character reprocessed ... help ! Generally: If it isn't illegal and you think it is allright for your kids, you don't need a special permission. Just know that you can't or shouldn't complain if things don't pan out the way you thought they would. (By which I mean: it is your fault if someone linked nasty stuff to your kid, not the person who linked it. Unless of course said nasty stuff is highly illegal.) About the PEGI rating. It doesn't cover "online interaction". The game is rated the way it is, because the pure game mechanics and NPC interaction is rather harmless. The real players can take you to very "interesting" places though. J. Don't anger the forum gods. ISD Buldath: > I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left. |
5n4keyes Sacred Templars Fraternity. Likes received: 115 | Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives. |
met worst Doomheim Likes received: 139 | Never thought that violence was an issue in Eve and watching little pixels scatter seems far less serious than Wil. E Coyote getting squished with a ACME invent. But I NEVER let my kids play with local or chat channels up. NEVER. I did it hard when I was younger. Heard lots. Seen heaps. But the sperg in local some days makes me blush. Some days an X rating would be too low. If some parents DID know what their kids were saying in Eve.... Well, we would probably be rid of a few "mummy-and-daddy-aren't-watching" pre-pubescents - of that I'm sure. +1 for interesting question. |
Killstealing Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 510 | because local chat would be much less hilarious if it were moderated with kids in mind. |
Zleon Leigh Likes received: 197 | The only game graphic violence is corpse's - and that something even younger kids should be able to handle - if not then you have screwed up as a parent. However, local has too many text graphics and waaay over the top dialog to ever let younger that 16 on the game. Couple in the either real or pretend child predators and I'm surprised the game was able to garner that lenient of a classification. Rated X is probably too mild, but everyone associates XXX with porn, which while it is presented in local is not the real issue. I'd say EVE does needs a MA rating since CCP refuses to filter in game - whether for practical or purposeful reasons. Maybe it was just easier to check the box violent graphics. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day PvP's latest incentive program ** Unified Inventory ** 'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it |
Disdaine Likes received: 458 | Just send Pegi some screenshots of the average conversation in local. Pegi classification : Discrimination May contain cruelty or harassment based on race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual preferences. 18+ rating here we come. |
mkint Likes received: 1,832 | As was said, the problem is the interactions with other players. That said, that's pretty much the only draw to EVE. There have been hundreds of space games with better PVE than EVE over the years. There are even two new space games on Steam right now for a decent price, both sound like they'd have fairly interesting gameplay (both cockpit view.) There's also the homeworld series and nexus. Going old school, Nomad was an awesome game if you can find it, there was a top view spaceship game by Epic I can't remember the title of, plus the wingcommander/privateer and xwing/tiefighter series. There are a lot of choices, new and old. For a pre-teen child, I'd nudge their multiplayer experiences to be between people they already know. Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it. |
Palovana Inner Fire Inc. Likes received: 360 | Who is this Pegi? Is "she" the dude on the Capital One commercials? Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here. |
met worst Doomheim Likes received: 139 | Disdaine wrote: Just send Pegi some screenshots of the average conversation in local. Pegi classification : Discrimination May contain cruelty or harassment based on race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual preferences. 18+ rating here we come. Are people more mature once they turn 18? |
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Likes received: 695 | Disdaine wrote: Just send Pegi some screenshots of the average conversation in local. Pegi classification : Discrimination May contain cruelty or harassment based on race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual preferences. 18+ rating here we come. Online interaction is not rated. If it was, all MMO's would be 18+ simply because it can't really be controlled. EVE has a mature theme. Set aside stuff like Prostitutes bought and sold under livestock, the backstory to EVE is a mature theme. Galactic warfare, slavery, political, religious and corporate greed, Hegemony. All way over the head of a 15 year old. |
TR4D3R4LT Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 51 | Jill Xelitras wrote: CCP doesn't want to deal with: - someone said nasty stuff to my kid ... why do you allow that ? Just to be perfectly clear with this, I've reported couple fellas over the years for tossing nasty crap to local/whatnot channel and unsupricingly after gm has responded to petition those fellas have not become online ever again. http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp Number 2 applies to links just as well. So be careful with the crap you toss around, it's a fine line to walk on the border and unless you know how to do it better stay on the safe side. |
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,392 | do some exploration or missions - drugs, prostitution, murder w/ considerable collateral damage, slavery, human experiments, ... you name it, EVE has it. Just because you never read the mission/complex descriptions and trash "flavor" items without giving them a second look does not mean they can be disregarded when it comes to ratings. (oh, and the online interactions between players in EVE are explicitly not rated) . |
Jarnis McPieksu Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 576 | PEGI doesn't have a "Teen" Rating. That's ESRB. But either way, only the "18+" rating in PEGI system is a hard rating ("not to be sold for anyone under 18"). Anything below that is a suggestion. Parents have the ultimate responsibility to figure out who is old enough to play. However, EVE has another catch; EULA says that no-one under 13 may have an account. This is caused by the US law that forbids processing private information belonging to kids. So in practice 13+ is the hard limitation. If someone younger wants to play, you would have to go against the EULA. PEGI/ESRB ratings have no relevance in this regard. Quote: C. Children i. Responsibility for Account If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA. ii. Game Rating CCP does not knowingly collect any information about children under the age of thirteen (13) beyond that necessary to establish an Account and play the Game. CCP will not disclose such information to any third party except as set forth below. |
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Commonwealth Vanguard Likes received: 1,522 | The only reason I wouldnt want my children to play Eve is the interesting language used and the human reproduction biology educational material posted in chat channels. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
malaire Likes received: 478 | Jarnis McPieksu wrote: However, EVE has another catch; EULA says that no-one under 13 may have an account. This is caused by the US law that forbids processing private information belonging to kids. So in practice 13+ is the hard limitation. If someone younger wants to play, you would have to go against the EULA. PEGI/ESRB ratings have no relevance in this regard. The EULA you linked clearly says that parent CAN make account in their name for their child who is below 13 years old. If parent also wants to play they need to make another account for themselves. So children under 13 can play EVE according to EULA, they just must use account which has their parents personal information. EDIT: But I agree that chats and some flavor texts in mission descriptions etc. are not suitable for children. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc Likes received: 1,329 | There is also drug use in EVE and your kid could stumble upon it while playing. Also you never get passed the mom, and also dont let an aunt stay at home as well. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
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